tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post695299845080040677..comments2023-11-05T06:16:56.961-05:00Comments on the Carpentry Way: A Ming-inspired Cabinet (2)Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14328401081765407624noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-15441751120171019402015-06-04T22:27:44.873-04:002015-06-04T22:27:44.873-04:00Harlan,
thanks for the comment.
I have Kate'...Harlan,<br /><br />thanks for the comment.<br /><br />I have Kate's book, and it is one of the early ones in the field of Chinese furniture appreciation. The cabinets you mention are wardrobes for the most part, and so the configuration and arrangement of openings is with that function in mind. There was one such cabinet on display at the Sackler-Freer gallery in DC a few years back which was about 8' tall and close to 6' wide. Quite an imposing piece, all huanghuali, and the doors with one-piece panels. <br /><br />Keep in mind that such cabinets were situated in rooms with quite tall ceilings and it is as much the setting for the cabinet as the cabinet itself which affects how tall or short the piece appears to be. Here, I'm working with a room which has an 8' ceiling, and the function of the cabinet is different than a wardrobe.<br /><br />Glad you like the cabinet with the open circular area and shippō-gumi latticework. I liked it too, but after staring at that design a good long while I was not convinced totally into taking that direction. <br /><br />I think the idea of having the doors bifold, so that they may tuck in completely to the cabinet sides is worth prioritizing, and that idea, more than any other, led to the latticework infill idea being put to the side, at least for the time being.<br /><br />~C<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328401081765407624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-88197929072432886022015-06-04T21:59:21.061-04:002015-06-04T21:59:21.061-04:00Hi Chris, I recently borrowed a copy of "Chin...Hi Chris, I recently borrowed a copy of "Chinese Household Furniture" by George N. Kates, which includes quite a few cabinets of similar size to the one you are designing, so I'm pleasantly surprised to read this thread. Several observations, most were composed of a bottom cabinet around six feet tall and an upper cabinet, usually around two feet, fitted directly above. One advantage of this arrangement is smaller doors which are less likely to give trouble over time. The widths were a little less than four feet, leaving doors around 22" in width which seems around the limits of practicality. Most did not have a base, but rather the vertical framing members carried through into legs. <br /><br />To my eye, the "golden ratio" cabinets are indeed golden, not looming at all. I found the design with the circle of Japanese inspired gridwork particularly attractive as it seemed to balance the tallness of the cabinet. <br /><br />Peace,<br />Harlan BarnhartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-833183355418444402015-06-04T09:07:27.167-04:002015-06-04T09:07:27.167-04:00Anton,
your comment is a pleasure to receive.
Te...Anton,<br /><br />your comment is a pleasure to receive.<br /><br />Technically, at least to the way I look at it, the upper elements in the stand are not stretchers, since they do not penetrate the legs, as do the lower stretchers. To clarify here, I'm using the word 'stretcher' as a substitute for the Japanese term 'nuki', which means 'penetrating tie'. I often use the term 'stretcher' as a euphemism for 'penetrating tie'. <br /><br />The earlier design did in fact have two sets of stretchers, however this revamp inserts what might be called a 'tie ring' instead. This ring, comprised of four rails, mechanically locks to itself at the lap joints, while the posts connect to it by piercing through the lap with a tenon.<br /><br />The pillow blocks were also present on the earlier design, however they were employed singly atop each post. With the new upper tie ring, I felt it made sense to return to the lapped pillow blocks, and in recent days I have made a further change in regard to the arrangement of the pillow blocks in fact.<br /><br /><br />Getting closer to the build phase all the time.<br /><br />~CAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328401081765407624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-69641093447177266552015-06-03T23:24:08.245-04:002015-06-03T23:24:08.245-04:00Good to see that the pillow blocks and upper horiz...Good to see that the pillow blocks and upper horizontal stretchers made it back into the design. Looking forward to another great build thread!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913331874879957757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-74132208588970831072015-06-03T21:30:04.025-04:002015-06-03T21:30:04.025-04:00Tom,
I agree that Mizuya typically have quite ...Tom,<br /><br />I agree that Mizuya typically have quite 'busy' faces. That said, I don't find them overwhelmingly busy, especially in comparison to some other pieces of furniture you will see (say, those baroque and Rococo pieces from 16th~18th century French makers).<br /><br />I think the quiet front doors on this piece and the fact that they rotate completely out of the way gives the owner a choice in the way this piece presents itself to the space. The piece can sit with doors closed normally or doors open. Quieter or busier, as one prefers.<br /><br />I am not wild about the term 'candy coating' as it implies something superficial - though that may not have been what you are implying. I first designed the outer case, and then worked out an arrangement for the interior which met the client's requirements, so it is not a case of putting a shell on, rather more a case of filling in details. The client seems to like the staggered shelf arrangement, which is an overtly Japanese attribute, however it is a detail which may not remain as the design work moves along. I have a secondary purpose in mind for those shelves as well.... <br /><br />I think that I like aspects of Ming furniture and aspects of Japanese furniture and I brought some of those ideas together in this piece. Maybe I could work towards achieving a greater clarity of design purpose in that regard, however I am not likely to move any further towards the tansu pattern, and there are no Ming kitchen storage cabinets to reference, so the direction is not as clear as I might like. That's been one of the challenges from the beginning in designing this piece.<br /><br />The interior arrangement is still in flux. We'll see where things go. I made some further progress on the stand today and am waiting on the client for feedback on the interior arrangement. Practical storage considerations, more than anything else, will dictate most of the interior configuration.<br /><br />~CAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328401081765407624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-18734121326684480142015-06-03T20:57:12.928-04:002015-06-03T20:57:12.928-04:00Chris
Is this a mizuya in a Ming candy coating??
...Chris<br />Is this a mizuya in a Ming candy coating??<br /><br />Seriously, the front of a mizuya is very 'busy', maybe having doors to close it off will give it a formality it needs.<br /><br />TomTomausmichigannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-38541206554233129012015-06-03T19:22:45.590-04:002015-06-03T19:22:45.590-04:00Thanks, looks like I've got some reading to do...Thanks, looks like I've got some reading to do!Siavoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07197753955117889947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-59088714739100816442015-06-03T08:09:18.256-04:002015-06-03T08:09:18.256-04:00Siavosh,
ah, you're thinking that the doors a...Siavosh,<br /><br />ah, you're thinking that the doors are solid slabs? They are not. If you look again at the 'Ming Inspiration' posts (the dining table) you will see that the top on that dining table, though it looked like a slab, was in fact not a slab. These doors will be made in a similar manner.<br /><br />~CAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14328401081765407624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6261993076995357307.post-79523111046894839892015-06-02T23:44:11.919-04:002015-06-02T23:44:11.919-04:00Looks very attractive. I may have missed it, but h...Looks very attractive. I may have missed it, but have you gone over how the large solid doors will avoid warping over time?Siavoshhttp://www.woodspotting.com/noreply@blogger.com